# Reasoning about Decimal Operations

The Common Core State Standards (CCSS) now have 5th graders computing with decimals. CCSS 5.NBT.7 reads:

*Add, subtract, multiply, and divide decimals to hundredths, using concrete models or drawings and strategies based on place value, properties of operations, and/or the relationship between addition and subtraction; relate the strategy to a written method and explain the reasoning used.*

Well, that’s certainly a mouthful! This post is going to focus on place value strategies, or what I call number sense.

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First, computing with decimals is essentially the same as computing with whole numbers. Don’t believe me? ย Multiply 12.1 x 34, 121 x 34, and 121 x .34 ย What do you get? All three products contain exactly the same digits-4114. The only difference is place value, or in other words, the placement of the decimal point. We traditionally teach students to count the places after the decimal point in the factors and move that many places from the right of the product and insert the decimal point. That certainly works, but it’s just a “trick”, and tricks can lead to unreasonable answers.

John Van de Walle suggests that instruction on computation with decimals must *start* with estimating. If students can accurately estimate products and quotients, they are more likely to correctly place the decimal point. Look at the card shown below. The digits in the product of the two numbers are shown below the multiplication problem. Without multiplying, decide where the decimal point should go.

With this next problem, you are placing the decimal points in the factors. It’s trickier because there could be more than one right answer (don’t you just love that!).

Not surprisingly, the same process works with division. Look at the card below. Where would you place the decimal in the quotient? Why?

So, I hope that helps some. Remember, you always want your kiddos to *understand* the math they’re doing. I think this little activity is very powerful and really encourages deep understanding.

Click here to download a set of cards like the ones above that you can use in your classroom. And, please, if you teach math, don’t start the year without a copy of the Van de Walle book for your grade level.

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Diane

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The Woodlands? Well, howdy neighbor. Ha ha. I’m following your blog now, too!

Thank you so much for the great cards! I love Van de Walle’s work.

Van de Walle is the man! ๐

This is great. Thank you! I, too, love anything where the students have to explain why they are doing something. I can’t wait to use these in my classroom.

You’re very welcome, Karen. Thanks for stopping by!

I just found this blog by a link in Pintrest! I love it! I am always working on growing my math skills. I move to 4th grade from 5th this next school year! I am always looking for new ideas! Thanks for the great site!

Gotta love Pinterest! Good luck in your new assignment.

Just found this via Pinterest – I’m a UK teacher and I think this will be a great extension task for some of my Year 4s. Thanks ever so! ๐

Wow, kinda cool! Love international sharing! ๐

Thank you. I really like your ideas and it is refreshing to know others math teachers out there truly get the math. Van De Walle is a valuable resource!

When I first read about this in Van de Walle’s book, I was so excited! It’s so much easier and makes more sense than counting and moving the decimal. But once you move to both numbers less than 1, it’s a little more difficult. Any suggestions on how this applies to decimals that are in the hundredths? Like 0.03 x 0.12

Nancy, check out this post on multiplying decimals!

Thanks – I think using those models for decimals is great.

I hate this math. I can’t help my 5th grader because you don’t make this easy for parents to explain to kids. I’m really good at math, and I now have to google things in order to help him with his homework. This is horrible

I agree that it is very different from the way we learned math. I can see why you find it frustrating.

Such a great post! I remember reading Van de Walle’s book in graduate school, and being upset at how my instructor expected us to learn and then teach math. I am glad I have a growth mindset mentality now because I am much more open to what I have read over a decade ago, and how and why I need to teach math differently than the way I was taught.

Thank you! I loved how you used reasoning to show why this works. While knowing a trick can be helpful, in the long term, it does not help with mathematical understanding. I’m off to rethink my lessons; in a good way. ๐